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Title: No style sheet
Post by: kristen on April 01, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
All of a sudden I'm not getting any CSS Style Sheet. Don't think anything has changed, but the main url is httpS (can't remember if it was before, or not) and the page contains links to style sheets (and probably other stuff) which is httP and Browser is downgrading the httP links to insecure because they are on an httpS page.

Is it just me? or am I don't something wrong that I should do differently?

Thanks


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: azps on April 01, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
Is it just me?

No, me too, on Firefox, Chrome and Edge (all on Windows 10)


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Antman on April 01, 2019, 06:41:39 PM
Not just you. Admin are looking into it. Sorry.
Antman


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: kristen on April 01, 2019, 06:50:05 PM
Not just you. Admin are looking into it. Sorry.

OK, now I know that's fine. Sorry Admin have the hassle.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Philip R on April 01, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
I thought something was up with my laptop!
Philip R


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: biff on April 01, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
You might find that your mobile will give you a better access/bigger access to the Forum. I don't  know why but my Mobile works it better than my laptop.
       Biff


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: todthedog on April 01, 2019, 08:28:30 PM
Tablet is odd as well


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Ted on April 02, 2019, 03:09:00 PM
The issue is caused by the mixed HTTP and HTTPS content (CSS is HTTP on HTTPS page).

Just why this has suddenly become an issue is not clear, as the site has been this way for some time. Maybe a browser update has kicked in.

You can get the CSS to load again by disabling protection (built in to the browser) for the site.

Click on the icon(s) to the left of the address in your browser and select the disable option (exact method is slightly different in each browser) for this site.



Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: kristen on April 02, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
(exact method is slightly different in each browser)

Thanks Ted that led me to a solution in Chrome - there is a "Shield Icon" to the right of address bar. Clicking that displays a warning with a link to "Load unsafe script", which has fixed it for me. I had to do that on a number of pages, but now it seems to be loading Style Sheet.  Don't know if that is persistent (after reboot), the settings page only seems to allow me to completely disable this checking, including for all malicious sites, which i obviously don't want to do, rather than for individual named sites.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Countrypaul on April 02, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
The issue is caused by the mixed HTTP and HTTPS content (CSS is HTTP on HTTPS page).

Just why this has suddenly become an issue is not clear, as the site has been this way for some time. Maybe a browser update has kicked in.

You can get the CSS to load again by disabling protection (built in to the browser) for the site.

Click on the icon(s) to the left of the address in your browser and select the disable option (exact method is slightly different in each browser) for this site.



I am on Firefox 66.0.2 and don't get the option to disable protection for the site - any idea why not?


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Tinbum on April 02, 2019, 05:01:18 PM
The issue is caused by the mixed HTTP and HTTPS content (CSS is HTTP on HTTPS page).

Just why this has suddenly become an issue is not clear, as the site has been this way for some time. Maybe a browser update has kicked in.

You can get the CSS to load again by disabling protection (built in to the browser) for the site.

Click on the icon(s) to the left of the address in your browser and select the disable option (exact method is slightly different in each browser) for this site.





I am on Firefox 66.0.2 and don't get the option to disable protection for the site - any idea why not?
You need to click on the right hand arrow on the right of the  the connection tab to get the tab shown in Teds pic


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Nickel2 on April 02, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
I noticed a few things changed over the weekend, possibly connected with Google+ and whatever it was, being discontinued. One of my YouTube accounts disappeared, but I have recovered it after a bout of faffing around.
The 'Load unsafe scripts' bit worked for me, I now have the original layout.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Iain on April 02, 2019, 05:09:56 PM
Hi
Seems strange that all the browsers were affected at the same time if the website has not changed.. Surely the browsers can't have all updated at the same time?

Iain


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Countrypaul on April 02, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
The issue is caused by the mixed HTTP and HTTPS content (CSS is HTTP on HTTPS page).

Just why this has suddenly become an issue is not clear, as the site has been this way for some time. Maybe a browser update has kicked in.

You can get the CSS to load again by disabling protection (built in to the browser) for the site.

Click on the icon(s) to the left of the address in your browser and select the disable option (exact method is slightly different in each browser) for this site.



I think the pad on my PC may be playing up. When I tried again later, the expected menu with the Site Information came up rather than the one with Pin to this menu which now only comes up with the right hand button.

Problem resolved (but I expect it to come back...)



I am on Firefox 66.0.2 and don't get the option to disable protection for the site - any idea why not?
You need to click on the right hand arrow on the right of the  the connection tab to get the tab shown in Teds pic


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Nickel2 on April 02, 2019, 05:21:08 PM
The title bar still says the site is not secure. I run ZoneAlarm, but will still keep visits restricted until the issue is resolved.
Edit:
Just had a look all over the rest of the Navitron shop etc, all of that shows up as secure. It is only the forum that has the warnings.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Iain on April 02, 2019, 08:12:51 PM
Hi
Anyone sorted it on a Mac running Safari or an iPad?
Just tried  and apparently won't allow mixed content to be viewed.
Not having any issues on other forums

iain


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: RIT on April 02, 2019, 09:19:05 PM
The problem is that the different parts of the forum website seem to be spread across both http and https based links at the moment. The result is any good browser will start to throw up insecure errors and a broken padlock.

It would seem that the header of each page now has http links to the stylesheet and I would guess that these were until recently https links as the last copy held at web.archive.org has https links.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: todthedog on April 02, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
I use brave touching on shield on right hand side and clicking on load insecure scripts provided a fix.
Big X not secure on left then appears.

I have to do it every time i look.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: linesrg on April 03, 2019, 07:10:40 AM
Hi
Anyone sorted it on a Mac running Safari or an iPad?
Just tried  and apparently won't allow mixed content to be viewed.
Not having any issues on other forums

iain

Good Morning Guys,

Same as Iain, has anybody determined a fix for a MacBook please?

Regards

Richard


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Tombo on April 03, 2019, 08:54:06 AM
Hi
Seems strange that all the browsers were affected at the same time if the website has not changed.. Surely tall the browsers can't have all updated at the same time?

Iain

As I understand it Firefox uses google chrome for the back end stuff (technical term - not protology) . So when google change something it means Firefox also changes.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Countrypaul on April 03, 2019, 09:08:34 AM
For different browsers to all be affected it suggests that either a change was made to the website, or something such as a certificate has expired (anyone heard of certificates expiring causing problems elsewhere recently?  :hysteria).


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Ted on April 03, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
The certificate expires 20th January 2020, so it's not that.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Nickel2 on April 03, 2019, 09:55:48 AM
Google has dropped Google+ on the first of April.
One or two of my accounts needed 're-establishing'. Is there any possible connection?


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: marshman on April 03, 2019, 10:00:15 AM
Hi
Anyone sorted it on a Mac running Safari or an iPad?
Just tried  and apparently won't allow mixed content to be viewed.
Not having any issues on other forums

iain

Good Morning Guys,

Same as Iain, has anybody determined a fix for a MacBook please?

Regards

Richard

I spent some time on my other halves ipad last night and came to the conclusion that Safari blocks all such content and there is no way to change it. This seems to be borne out by a search of the Apple forums. Apparently it was blocked several years ago when V9xxxx was released.

Can you install Google Chrome and use that?  If so you can do the same as on the PC and click on the "shield". Not guaranteed as this does not appear on my android tablet running chrome.

I have had this, or similar, issues on other forums.  I think there could have been an update of something recently as a classic car forum I use went "down" at the same time as the CSS style sheet issue happened on here. In that case we couldn't access the site at all - may or may not be related. It is all getting too complicated for me - bring back 300 baud acoustic modems and the old style text only bulletin boards ;D

Roger


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: linesrg on April 03, 2019, 11:23:35 AM
Roger,

Accessing via Google Chrome and then accepting 'Unsafe Scripts' does work but that isn't a fix as such simply a work around.

Regards

Richard


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: kristen on April 03, 2019, 12:19:39 PM
but that isn't a fix as such simply a work around.

But "Admin are looking into it", so hopefully permanent fix is on the way.

https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30484.msg344367.html#msg344367


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: chasfromnorfolk on April 03, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
By way of reassurance to Macfolk, it’s nothing we’ve done... even if you’ve just succombed to the latest round of OS updates ( always a wotrrying time with Macs).
I’m running a phone, pad and laptop, all different OS all different Sarari versions, plus ‘emergency only’ Firefox and it’s all the same.

Chas


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: RIT on April 03, 2019, 07:50:00 PM
Just to repeat myself

/quote
The problem is that the different parts of the forum website seem to be spread across both http and https based links at the moment. The result is any good browser will start to throw up insecure errors and a broken padlock.

It would seem that the header of each page now has http links to the stylesheet and I would guess that these were until recently https links as the last copy held at web.archive.org has https links.
quote\

The fix is to reverse the change to the header file that has taken place. Someone has modified the header to place the site stylesheet on http links, not https links.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Ted on April 03, 2019, 08:48:26 PM
Thanks RIT, we do have that.

The only issue is that, at present, no such change can be traced to any actions. So reversing it needs a little more investigation.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: RIT on April 03, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Thanks RIT, we do have that.

The only issue is that, at present, no such change can be traced to any actions. So reversing it needs a little more investigation.

I can't comment on what changes took place, or when or how, but your common header block is as follows

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/Themes/default/style.css?fin11" />
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/Themes/default/print.css?fin11" media="print" />
<link type="image/x-icon" href="http://www.navitron.org.uk/media/favicon/default/favicon.ico" rel="icon">    
<link rel="help" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=help" target="_blank" />
<link rel="search" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=search" />
<link rel="contents" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php" />
<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Navitron Renewable Energy and Sustainability Forum - RSS" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml" />
<link rel="prev" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30484.0.html" />
<link rel="index" href="https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/board,15.0.html" /><meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" />


With the first 3 lines having http and all the rest having https. Regardless of what else you find this will cause the insecure web page issues and the broken padlocks. It is most likely this that many browsers can 'fix' when the cert error is disregarded/overridden.


Update - I've switched over to firefox and have used the built-in Inspection tool (right side menu - Web Developer option) (which may have to be enabled if you try). Once running you can select the Console view on say the main forum page and you get a vast number of "Loading mixed (insecure) display" errors from all the gif and jpg images and much of the javascript. So all the basic components are http based while everything else is https based.

Have any changes been made to the web server configuration or any third party gateway solution such as cloudflare by yourselves or the hosting company? Looking at the current html I can only guess that another tool was rewriting the content on the fly and that this stopped working a few days ago.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: kristen on April 04, 2019, 06:44:27 AM
Was the site previously httP and has recently become httpS ?  That could also be the cause (in combination with no HTML code change). Seems improbable as Google has been down-ranking non-httpS sites for some time, but maybe something has forced a switch to httpS for the main site

If I modify the Address from httpS to httP it immediately changes back to httpS ... of course I don't know if that is a new thing, or if it has been forced-httpS for some time.  (Simple Machines version/copyright does not look like it was upgraded recently :), so not that. Maybe Hosting site has change to force httpS ...)

I can't find lots of people screaming on Google, so presumably local to this forum / or maybe Host


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: titan on April 04, 2019, 10:25:45 AM
Hi
Seems strange that all the browsers were affected at the same time if the website has not changed.. Surely tall the browsers can't have all updated at the same time?

Iain

As I understand it Firefox uses google chrome for the back end stuff (technical term - not protology) . So when google change something it means Firefox also changes.

Not true, Mozilla use all their own code and are nothing at all to do with Google. All browsers have tightened up security regarding HTTPS where invalid certificates were being used to falsely indicate a site was secure when it was not, this is what is happening here , you connect to Navitron with HTTPS but some of the site is HTTP so you get the error message allowing a connection if you think the site is secure.


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: A.L. on April 04, 2019, 11:11:09 AM
hello,

11:23 a.m. and all became 'normal' again (apparently) ;D


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Tigger on April 04, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
Just spotted the same, was on here half an hour ago and it was still all bollxxxed and now it's all back to normal. 

We like 'normal'  ;D


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: grevls on April 04, 2019, 11:38:30 AM
Hi everyone,

Sorry for the forum hiccup over the last day or two. It should be back to normal now.

All the best


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: stannn on April 04, 2019, 11:39:29 AM
Thanks and well done to the individuals responsible for mending our forum.
Stan


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: linesrg on April 04, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
Good Morning Admin people,

It's sorted here so thanks.

Regards

Richard


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: todthedog on April 04, 2019, 01:27:21 PM
Hurrah and thanks!


Title: Re: No style sheet
Post by: Philip R on April 04, 2019, 01:50:52 PM
Great, back to normal.
Philip R