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Title: Where's Scruff?
Post by: pantsmachine on July 04, 2020, 11:12:02 PM
I quite enjoy his acerbic posts and obsession with lead justification based on god knows what infraction, real or imagined, yet there he was shouting it out for lead and electrons! A clever guy, bit eliptical sometimes yet well worth a read, where's he gone?

If he's been kicked off he should be let back in. Being an opinionated obsessive doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to play, just wind it in a bit? I miss him! :)


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: Ted on July 05, 2020, 11:40:24 AM
He hasn't been kicked out. He appears to have removed himself.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: pantsmachine on July 05, 2020, 12:46:29 PM
Cheers Ted, maybe he'll miss us all and come back. :)


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: marcus on July 05, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
he appears to have gone over to fieldlines forum - I had assumed he'd been kicked off here TBH, but maybe someone here offended him?


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: kdmnx on July 05, 2020, 10:13:52 PM
I always enjoyed his posts.

However I never did have the slightest clue what he was on about.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: biff on July 06, 2020, 12:25:42 AM
He has been a member of Fieldlines for years.
He is also a moderator on another forum.
 Ted has just told you that he has not been kicked off the forum. He seems to have removed a load of his posts.
He was still a registered member the last time I looked.
  We enjoyed his posts and who knows maybe he will return and give is more answers to our electrical problems,
       Biff
 Nb  I just checked, It looks like Scruff  deinstalled himself.
  


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: oliver90owner on July 06, 2020, 07:07:24 PM
I think it was this post that likely led to him up-anchoring and leaving.  Perhaps the cap fitted too well?

https://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,31880.0.html


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: pantsmachine on July 06, 2020, 09:08:50 PM
Ach, a shame regardless.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: Philip R on July 06, 2020, 09:15:37 PM
He Told former regular Navi forum contributor, ClockmanFra who also resides on the other forum, that we are a bunch of armchair warriors and more doing on the other site.

I to miss his contribution,  I also think the lead versus lithium battery issue got to him big time.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: dan_b on July 06, 2020, 09:16:17 PM
It's a shame that he's decided to delete himself, but if I'm totally honest I was starting to feel like many of his more critically negative posts were being aimed at me personally, which was occasionally a bit upsetting.  


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: Nickel2 on July 07, 2020, 08:34:39 AM
I don't do politics or power-struggles; I read and learn, I watch and listen, I teach to the best of my knowledge and ability.
I have gone through the mill of learning that My opinion did not necessarily match that of everyone else, so learned to shut up and 'let them get on with it'.
It is a forum after all, not a government by decibel diplomacy - Open discussion allows us all to look at the experience of others, then form our own way of doing things without telling others they are necessarily wrong.
There are a dozen ways to chop onions; the end product is essentially the same.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: MR GUS on July 07, 2020, 08:54:21 AM

There are a dozen ways to chop onions; the end product is essentially the same.


Pedantic I know, however, chopping onions one way compared to the other damages the cellular structure producing far more acidity compared to the sweetness that many prefer.

Orbitally sliced onions give off the maximum acrid pungency we all hate to smell in the fridge, ..recommend to be cut pops to pole (stem to root) ..however it is the sharpness that often puts a kid off them in the early (at home years). 😉


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: Nickel2 on July 07, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
I am led to believe that onion cells are longer from pole-to-pole, so cutting lengthways reduces the number of cells penetrated, and hence the tears incurred by onion-juice spray.
Your move...


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: MR GUS on July 07, 2020, 02:40:43 PM
Which is what I said.

It's to do with the precursors, ..therefore the maximum cellular damage is achieved via dicing rather than slicing.

But technically no the end product is not the same, that's the point, such is the difference in taste.


...however There is no doubt that scruff wanted to see more projects, likely homebrew, of which this place tends to be lacking these days,  turbines few & far between (space & laws of a small island) ..I recently took a washing machine apart & didn't bother to offer the parts here because gamers for the magnet ring at all just wouldn't have moved like it used to,  it's more box bought high end plug n play, no  Dhaslam, gravyminer, frotter type projects to keep abreast of any more.

& whereas 16 years ago a well maintained log store & woodburner was a valuable alternative to oil (here) you may well now get shot down for owning one here, ..never  mind the efficiency nor measurements of how it may change / not localised air pollution.

Martin's bee's went with Martin ditto much similar subjects he was keen on espousing, thus talk dwindles.

Maturation of a site or more sites out there, I don't know.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: oliver90owner on July 07, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
There is malice - or something akin to that - intended, when posts are deleted when leaving.  Not the usual departure on reasonable terms.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: heatherhopper on July 07, 2020, 03:12:58 PM
For me the question should really be - what has happened to the forum?

Over the ten years or so I have been both lurker and member there has always been variation in the volume of traffic, the variety of posts and, dare I suggest, the apparent cliques. However in recent years any visitor may be forgiven for thinking they had stumbled into either a motoring forum, media report exchange, money saving advice centre, energy company publicity page, "new tech" consumables listings page, fringe energy policy think-tank or some strange hybrid of all those. I would not suggest all aspects of these categories are invalid as forum posts but their context often stretches the Renewable Energy and Sustainability credentials a bit. The forum stats (which make interesting reading over time) suggest they often attract limited interest and then from a very narrow section of the membership and guests.

Not surprising someone might think of armchairs.

I too had difficulty deciphering some of Scuff's posts but there were genuine nuggets of information in there and at least they all appeared to be his own. I hope he returns along with the many other informative posters that have left or just gone quiet. We should have some variety and there is positively nothing learned without negative dissent, of the ever-so-correct kind of course.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: Stig on July 07, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
...however There is no doubt that scruff wanted to see more projects, likely homebrew, of which this place tends to be lacking these days,  turbines few & far between (space & laws of a small island) ..I recently took a washing machine apart & didn't bother to offer the parts here because gamers for the magnet ring at all just wouldn't have moved like it used to,  it's more box bought high end plug n play, no  Dhaslam, gravyminer, frotter type projects to keep abreast of any more.

I've been working on a DIY MVHR project which I'll start a thread on soon (with photos hopefully).


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: kdmnx on July 07, 2020, 03:24:15 PM
I've been working on a DIY MVHR project which I'll start a thread on soon (with photos hopefully).

Looking forward to it...


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: dan_b on July 07, 2020, 03:42:09 PM
An increasing number of Scruffs later posts felt to me like he was deliberately targeting me. To be honest it was getting quite upsetting. If he had gone on much longer I would have complained to the moderators in any case, expertise or not.

For me the question should really be - what has happened to the forum?

Over the ten years or so I have been both lurker and member there has always been variation in the volume of traffic, the variety of posts and, dare I suggest, the apparent cliques. However in recent years any visitor may be forgiven for thinking they had stumbled into either a motoring forum, media report exchange, money saving advice centre, energy company publicity page, "new tech" consumables listings page, fringe energy policy think-tank or some strange hybrid of all those. I would not suggest all aspects of these categories are invalid as forum posts but their context often stretches the Renewable Energy and Sustainability credentials a bit. The forum stats (which make interesting reading over time) suggest they often attract limited interest and then from a very narrow section of the membership and guests.

Not surprising someone might think of armchairs.

I too had difficulty deciphering some of Scuff's posts but there were genuine nuggets of information in there and at least they all appeared to be his own. I hope he returns along with the many other informative posters that have left or just gone quiet. We should have some variety and there is positively nothing learned without negative dissent, of the ever-so-correct kind of course.



Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: kdmnx on July 07, 2020, 04:19:56 PM
I always got the strong feeling that his posts were him talking into the void. He didn't take kindly to anyone actually replying to him.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: todthedog on July 07, 2020, 04:50:00 PM
I agree with you Gus, I loved the way topics used to meander, adding a richness to the conversations on here.
Perhaps the lack of financial incentives and increased regulation has led to a lack of self build projects.

Russ's home build  journey with loads of pictures was great to see.

Personally would love to see other topics discussed it would be great to be able to attract  more lady forumites.
Religion and Politics are no go areas for the internal bile they can create, but  that leaves a host of areas.

To reiterate Ted and Biff, Scruff has not been booted and the missing posts were deleted by him.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: MR GUS on July 07, 2020, 05:20:51 PM
There is malice - or something akin to that - intended, when posts are deleted when leaving.  Not the usual departure on reasonable terms.

Not necessarily malice, more bitter feelings, (i'd be inclined to think) as to "worth" ..some forums are archived by more & therefore your posts may be cleaned up & binned anyway (not that it is the case with navi-forums) ..so if closing the door sometimes your own data cleansed in these times (so different to a decade of more of internet development history / "advance").

If finishing with a place I am happy to delete / request data footprint removal, I think though that with scruff it may be a "clean sheet" principle with a deleted login having taken umbrage at something,  (a determination not to come back down the line)..not everyone works at the same pace / rhythm of banged drum etc, ...Martin could be  both benevolent & hyper-critical ..as well as devious, such is the character of people.

I was interested in scruffs input  ..whether right or wrong, if all you do on Twitter (for example) is follow folk you agree with then it becomes a circle of onanists.

In terms of data, today I contemplated using my new (old) phone for a selfie, ..my first,  mirrored glasses, mask & that covering most of my features,  it is pre loaded software of an undetermined origin, ..yet suddenly it "required" all sorts of data & location access which I had to deny permissions to, ..it pee's me off to have  all this monitoring, it pee's me off that others are ignorant to it having grown up knowing nothing different than data intrusion, perhaps scruff is simply tidying up behind himself.

Perhaps we think too much.


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: pantsmachine on July 07, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
An increasing number of Scruffs later posts felt to me like he was deliberately targeting me. To be honest it was getting quite upsetting. If he had gone on much longer I would have complained to the moderators in any case, expertise or not.

For me the question should really be - what has happened to the forum?

Over the ten years or so I have been both lurker and member there has always been variation in the volume of traffic, the variety of posts and, dare I suggest, the apparent cliques. However in recent years any visitor may be forgiven for thinking they had stumbled into either a motoring forum, media report exchange, money saving advice centre, energy company publicity page, "new tech" consumables listings page, fringe energy policy think-tank or some strange hybrid of all those. I would not suggest all aspects of these categories are invalid as forum posts but their context often stretches the Renewable Energy and Sustainability credentials a bit. The forum stats (which make interesting reading over time) suggest they often attract limited interest and then from a very narrow section of the membership and guests.

Not surprising someone might think of armchairs.

I too had difficulty deciphering some of Scuff's posts but there were genuine nuggets of information in there and at least they all appeared to be his own. I hope he returns along with the many other informative posters that have left or just gone quiet. We should have some variety and there is positively nothing learned without negative dissent, of the ever-so-correct kind of course.


I found his posts to be interesting yet he did seem to like to attack anything that was not lead based and at least 10 years old. Ok maybe that's a bit extreme yet he DID also seemed to enjoy talking down to people who are legitimately saving tonnes of pollutants being thrown into the air. Regardless of the technical level they wish to be involved at. Is their contribution to cleaner air less legitimate or somehow unworthy due to the larger sums they have invested while not messing about with old scrap?

Armchair warriors. Hmmn, whatever wee man, whatever. Opinions and anatomy parts springs to mind.

I'll stick with the systems as listed below and help all I can on the forum while being very grateful to all who have and will help me and will save ten's of tonnes of pollutants in the process. I'll also be as nice as I can be as you've all been excellent to me. I don't want to be in a clique or put anyone off from posting. If i do anything like that I hope i'll be pulled up for it.  :garden

AS SWMBO points out to me on a daily basis, I'm often wrong, gasp, shock horror. Not a problem with that at all!


Title: Re: Where's Scruff?
Post by: biff on July 07, 2020, 06:46:47 PM
I don't have much more to add,
     Scruff has had the advantage of having a wake and still being alive to enjoy it. Not many of us will equal that achievement.
  However, I think it is very bad taste to continue talking about Scruff, It is not fair. So I wish him every success on Fieldlines and his other 2 forums.
    So we moderators will take a little time to ponder and then hopefully shut down this thread.
      Biff.