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Title: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 21, 2020, 08:02:56 PM
So this morning I set off on a bit of a lunatic road trip with my Tesla and my push bike.

Today I drove from SW London, to Venosc, in the French Alps.
679 miles door to door.
I set off this morning with the car at 98% SOC at 5am.
Charged 4 times en route using Tesla Superchargers. (more on those anon).
Arrived at my destination just before 7pm French time. I missed my scheduled Eurotunnel crossing due to the queue for a coffee at Folkestone.
I didn't spare the horses at all en route. Basically drove as fast I was comfortable with, and the Tesla SatNav essentially guided me to the next suitable Supercharger station - generally after about 2 hours of driving, and then generally a 25-30 minute charging stop.

679 miles driven
231 kWh consumed
Average efficiency of 340 Wh/mile.
Where ever possible I was on Autopilot, cruising at 140-150 km/h.

The first Supercharger stop was at Folkestone, and wasn't actually "called for" by the SatNav as I still had 49% SOC when I got to Folkestone. But I thought I might as well top up there whilst I was waiting. Got a peak charge rate of 82kW there.

Second Supercharger stop was at Urvilliers. Got 118kW peak there.

Third stop was at Chateauvillian. Arrived with just 3% SOC and the air-con had disabled itself to save power!  Got 119kW peak there.

Final stop was at a place called Macon. Again got 119kW peak. 

Got to my destination with 15% SOC and the car is now having a well earned rest and cool down, sipping at the local French domestic electricity supply pulling 2kW.

What was interesting is that the car didn't need to pre-heat the batteries for "optimal charging rate" when coming to the next Supercharger. I guess what with the ambient temps being 30+C and me driving it pretty hard it didn't need to put any extra heat in!

I'll add a few photos later, but I have to say, that was a flawless, and utterly straightforward and pretty relaxing journey.  Just me in the car, Autopilot doing a lot of the work, and the Superchargers just work, seamlessly.  I'm not sure I would have done that journey with any fewer stops in an ICE vehicle anyway - ok maybe I'd not have stopped for 20-30 mins each time, but I don't think I'd have got here much faster in a "700 mile range diesel".   And all of these Superchargers are "only" 130 or 150kW units (a peak rate which I never saw even with very low SoC at one stop).  I guess if I'd have stopped at Ionity I could maybe have saved 5mins at each stop?

 Anyway - thought people might be interested.   My road trip will continue over the coming days so will post some more stuff.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: pantsmachine on July 21, 2020, 08:57:44 PM
Outstanding Dan, have a choc au  pain for us all tomorrow, I look forward to the photos.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Philip R on July 22, 2020, 02:09:10 AM
Very interesting info Dan,regarding the trip energy consumption data,  have not worked it out yet , the power, comparing it to your Motorway trip of a few days ago in the UK.

A few years ago I travelled several times to Paul Ricard circuit in the Var to mechanic for UK former World Champion Endurance Motorcycle Team.  Mostly in the team van but once in the car, a Diesel Renault 19. 9-10 hours each way from Calais including two diesel stops and a very necessary detanking of waste water.
France is a big country.

On your Journey, on the way to Macon, you passed Cruas NPP, The one with the 4 cooling towers ( One has a young boy painted on it) The other one near Macon, right next to the Autoroute,  Tricastin NPP, ran the biggest electrical load (3GW on the same site) in France.

BTW whilst you were travelling down through France, The UK was exporting about 2GW to France for most of the morning and afternoon. They must have known you were going so made provision with some extra electric. ( Makes a change I suppose).

All that fast charging and loading the batteries kept them nice and warm, so less if any preheating required, so straight into the fast charge. Keep us posted.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 22, 2020, 07:18:47 AM
I think my kWh consumption works out at an MPGe of approx 65 - pretty good considering the speed I was going, but does show you how much of an impact speed has on efficiency!

A few snaps.
One thing I've discovered - because the EV charging points are generally located well away from the main petrol station- there are never any windscreen squeegey cleaning things nearby - which is a bit of a problem after 600 miles of hammering it - bug splats everywhere!

I got chatting to a British couple who had a Model S which they'd owned for 6 years - a very early adopter. They're planning on replacing it with a Model 3.

The Supercharger inverters chuck out a LOT of heat from those active exhausts. Blimey.

Autosteer disables itself for the rest of the drive if you go manually take over the throttle and go past 150km/h.  Apparently.

Will add some more later - just off for a bike ride now.

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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on July 22, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Be aware Dan, French traffic cops have sense of humour surgically removed in order to get the job. A GB registered sports car flaunting speed limits would make their day. If on a bad day they can take your keys away and leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere 'pour encourager les autres' .


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: oliver90owner on July 22, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
Less than 3 miles per kWh, for that journey, has certainly reduced your overall average to 3 1/2 miles per kWh!

You were reporting 5.2 miles/kWh@ 65 mph recently. Certainly some drop, to 2.9 miles/kWh on this trip!

So which had you stolen (reference to a previous post) this time?  The car or the bike?🙂

RAB


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: biff on July 22, 2020, 08:08:25 AM
Impressive  Dan, :crossed
           Biff
       
       


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: MR GUS on July 22, 2020, 11:37:57 AM
Hope you have your breathalyser twin pack in the car too.

Luckily I haven't been pulled up by french police for 19-20 years, but yes, they are a potential menace.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Philip R on July 22, 2020, 12:44:00 PM
Mind the Douanes, the French Customs police. They are thieving bar stewards par excellance too.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: M on July 22, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
Hiya Dan. Are you able to use those supercharger miles I got you, and if so, do you think they'll cover the trip ...... if you slow down a tad?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on July 22, 2020, 12:52:18 PM
Never pulled for speeding, our old van would have found that flattering ::)
However breath analysed 3 times in one day.
Old white van driven slowly by man of certain age, equates to farmer who has lunched well!
Easy pull facepalm
 

My neighbour had just driven carefully past a fix point camera, in his wife's BMW mini Cooper, decided to test it out on an empty dual carriage  when he was zapped from a bridge in excess (well in excess) of the speed limit. At the next roundabout  stopped, car parked, up keys taken. I don't think he helped his cause by questioning the cop's lineage! His wife had to come and pick him up. :onpatrol Keys collected from the gendarmerie the next day.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: MR GUS on July 22, 2020, 01:35:06 PM
I still cannot get used to the wine with lunch at the excellent motorway stops / mega-carrefour eateries.
My daughter was impressed at kids eats there (she was observing as usual, ..her forte is a blue bavette steak, & has just got into good coffee in the past 12 months, ...don't think she'll ever frequent a starbucks or costa's as a result.

Good to see some alternate mileage data from your road trip compared to what you've been citing for the unknown quantity of London city traffic miles to date, chalk & cheese, it is going to be screwed up a bit by the obvious rolling (altitude) of the varied countryside. ...which bearing in mind our run down the valley to Sallanche is mainly downhill would be a wonderful video exercise in regen on a mountain climb & descent basis ...if you get the chance, please do oblige as many folk pant-poop when they think mountains & EV's.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: oliver90owner on July 22, 2020, 01:51:26 PM
... if you get the chance, please do oblige as many folk pant-poop when they think mountains & EV's.

Whatever they ’pant-poop’ about up-hill and down-hill, the down-hill gains must be less than the up-hill losses.  There are motor and generation losses in each direction.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: MR GUS on July 22, 2020, 02:19:48 PM
Yes, however an ICE vehicle technically encounters losses uphill due to additional demands, & maybe on the downhill (other factors, engine as a brake, lack of regen etc).


It is nice to have contextual info on energy give & take in real world environments other than "on the flats" & massaged industry figures ..breaking more EV stigmas.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: daveluck_uk on July 22, 2020, 04:47:43 PM
Never pulled for speeding, our old van would have found that flattering ::)
However breath analysed 3 times in one day.
Old white van driven slowly by man of certain age, equates to farmer who has lunched well!
Easy pull facepalm
 

Here it always the old boy on a two wheel tractor / trailer combo. Normally just after 4pm. That or the axioms





Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: MR GUS on July 22, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
There are some tidy little Axiam cars out there these days (nice smart fortwo generic notably).


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Westie on July 22, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
There are some tidy little Axiam cars out there these days (nice smart fortwo generic notably).

Those Axiams are a flipping menace, enough to drive you to drink, which is exactly what most of them are used for :hysteria



Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: MR GUS on July 22, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
Does that mean our Smart fortwo Brabus 450 is classified as "a menace"  or is it a gallic thing only?
(likes small vehicles that are often designed for carrying two* & still have a bit of oomph for quick overtaking as needed).

*And a boxer dog, ..sod the wifes french bulldog!

I banged £10 worth of 3mm sound deadening mats on the engine cover & it made a world of difference to perceived driving comfort (cabin noise) of a harsh 3 cylinder 700cc engine.

The daughter is wanting to drive it to the Alps when she passes her test.

Whose engines are in the axiam's?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Tinbum on July 22, 2020, 09:37:08 PM
I still cannot get used to the wine with lunch at the excellent motorway stops / mega-carrefour eateries.

Many years ago my wife broke her back in France and was surprised at the smell of alcohol coming off the ambulance drivers. They also stopped at the cash point on the way for her (well her friend) to get money out to pay for the trip to the hospital.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 23, 2020, 06:59:32 AM
Wow, lots of questions!

Here's what I got up to yesterday.   https://www.relive.cc/view/vXOdBzdkp4q



I didn't bring any breathalysers - they're no longer mandatory - but I avoid alcohol when I've got to get behind the wheel of a 1800kg machine.

I kept a keen eye out for the signs alerting drivers to the upcoming speed cameras on the Autoroutes, but other than that didn't see a single Gendarme the whole way down.

I have been billed for the Supercharging sessions, so maybe the referral credit only applies once the referring owner has actually bought, paid for and collected their own car? We'll see. Either way it's still massively cheaper than petrol!

I've got a fair amount of downhill to drive today to get back down to the valley and on to the next stage of my trip - I'm heading to Bedoins in the foothills of Mont Ventoux today to spend a couple of days there.   However, a gentle little 3 mile stretch of downhil yesterday gave me a chance to regen instead of engine braking and that 3 miles I consumed just 30Wh.  I'll keep an eye on that!


 
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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: kdmnx on July 23, 2020, 08:32:41 AM
How'd you get the bike in the car? Both wheels off? Seats down?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 23, 2020, 09:27:12 AM

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I actually brought 2 bikes with me...

But yes, wheels off, back seat down and placed carefully in the rear. Surprisingly easy.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: biff on July 23, 2020, 09:54:08 AM
Fair play to you Dan,
     Much respect, I am impressed
     Biff


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: M on July 23, 2020, 01:41:09 PM

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I actually brought 2 bikes with me...

But yes, wheels off, back seat down and placed carefully in the rear. Surprisingly easy.

Hi Dan, which two of the three bikes in that photo are yours?

I'd pay good money to see you do 56 or 112 miles on the far right one.  ;D


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on July 23, 2020, 01:57:33 PM
Nice one Dan ;D


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 23, 2020, 07:38:42 PM
So here is a Couple of photoS of the downhill experiment


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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 23, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
An empty Ionity

And it had to happen eventually- my destination for tonight in Bedoins and all 3 EV charge points are ICEd


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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Philip R on July 23, 2020, 08:15:05 PM
The nearest car was a BMW. I would expect no less of the owner.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 24, 2020, 03:39:33 PM
I have the owner my very best evil stare when we both left the restaurant later that evening!

Today I cycled up this little hump.


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And have gone back to the hotel to stick the car on charge ready for my next stage of my road trip tomorrow.  I guess these Tesla destination chargers are 3 phase AC?  The car itself is limiting it to 11kW I think?
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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on July 24, 2020, 03:48:15 PM
Mont Ventoux by Jove, well done.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Philip R on July 25, 2020, 12:57:16 PM
The pics enclosed earlier by the steep gorge and the graffitti showed that the charger had a 3 phase supply.

Very good effort for cycling up Mont Ventoux.    I have seen it from the Paul Ricard Circuit. The top of it looks like the surface of the moon. I then think about Tom Simpsons fateful ride on the Tour de France in 1967.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on July 25, 2020, 09:02:32 PM
Back on the road again today - 400 miles north west to my next destination near Poitiers, although with what turned out to be a pretty big diversion to take in crossing the Milau Viaduct - an awesome structure.  The Autoroute Meridienne is an impressive bit of road building too - lots of rather enjoyable high speed curves, and amusingly long stretches of 7% descents.  Think I re-genned quite a lot on those hills.  



Started off with 95% charge, had two Supercharger stops - first one I got down to 2%!  Second one was a "splash and dash" charge as arrived at the charger with 60% SoC, but needed a 10min boost in order to make it to my destination, according to the Tesla Sat Nav.

Experienced my first queue at a Supercharger though at that second spot and some interesting messages from Tesla which shows how they are trying to manage sites with high demand...

Also then rather amusingly, when I got close to my destination, I got a warning that there were "no known chargers in range".  Fortunately my hosts have allowed me to hook up!


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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: desperate on July 25, 2020, 09:35:08 PM
 That sounds like a very satisfying trip Dan. The Milau bridge is an experience to cross, it certainly beats the traffic jam down into and back out of the valley we used to endure, and how impressed are you at the amount of wind turbines scattered about the countryside? Lots of clean leccy for your car, what's not to like. Are you missing the potholes yet? wait till you get back to blighty, it is very reassuring bouncing around like corks to welcome you home facepalm I love it down in the south of France, I wish I had the jingle bells jingle bells to move over there really.

Good luck with your trip.

Desp


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 01, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
Alas today marks the end of my holiday and my voyage home commences.

Set off with a full 100% battery and no real time pressure so have been enjoying a slightly slower pace of movement.

First stop is Rouen supercharger which as you can see is what you might call busy!

Did 264 miles in this first stint arriving with 7% battery  consuming 64kWh so an average of 241Wh/mile.
Worth noting that at 50% charge I had driven 160 miles having consumed 35kWh.   So clearly the 300-320mile range is doable (I sped up somewhat the last hour!)
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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 01, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
Oh and of course, power sharing between the stalls is in effect as it’s so busy which unfortunately then makes the charging sessions take longer.
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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 01, 2020, 11:38:17 PM
A final charge up at Calais waiting for the Eurotunnel to do its thing and then a quick blast up the M20/M26/M25/M3 to get home.

Here are the numbers

1935 miles driven
571 kWh of electrons consumed
295 Wh/mile average efficiency.

I have to say the car was ridiculously good- fast, comfortable, quiet, and the way that Superchargers are integrated into the SatNav and indeed that billing is also integrated into the car is just magic. And Autopilot really came into its own for me on these long stints where as a solo driver you could still make progress but not feel so tired. Yes there were queues at Rouen but it’s wasn’t the end of the world. And yes there needs to be a lot more better joined up thinking for how information about EV charging stations is shared so they they’re as easy to locate as a petrol station is today.

But!

It’s absolutely possible to do long stupid road trips in an electric car with what’s available now.. Yes the Tesla M3 is still and expensive car, but it’s half the price of the Model S/ Jag iPace/ Audi eTron etc and shows that we’re on the cusp of BEVs being completely normal. I saw a lot of BEVs on my trip. It really seems like we’re at that “tipping point”
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Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on August 02, 2020, 06:03:17 AM
Well done Dan enjoyed the story and the pics


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: kdmnx on August 02, 2020, 06:09:06 AM
Nice thread Dan, I enjoyed the pics and analysis too. Would you mind sharing the ecconomics of the trip? How much where you charged for the charging? How did that work £/mile £/kWh?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 02, 2020, 10:32:56 AM
Ok just done some maths based on this trip.

Total distance  - 1935 miles
Energy consumed  - 571 kWh
Average consumption - 295 Wh/mile
Petrol consumption equivalent (Uk gallon)  - 67 mpg-e

Paid charging sessions - 407.6 kWh
Free charging sessions - 163.9 kWh
Cost of all charging - £104.50

Cost per mile - 19p/mile  edit it was actually 5p/mile!

8x Tesla Supercharger visits en-route
1x "El-Born" 50kW CCS visit over lunch
1x Ubitricity 5kW lamppost charge before I left
1x Tesla 11kW destination charge one evening over dinner
Many hours on 2kW granny cable charges at various places of accommodation.

Most kWh pumped in in a single charge - 62kWh at the Supercharger in Chateauvillain.

Driving style - mostly " don't spare the horses, get there as fast as possible", with occasional bouts of "ooh nice scenery" and "local bimble to the shops run", plus one concerted attempt to "drive efficiently" for a couple of hours with air-con off.   But otherwise, I drove to cover the miles fast and not be concerned with consumption.

It was slightly mad, and shows that EVs are certainly viable for those edge case once-a-year family holiday drives.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Bugtownboy on August 02, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
Dan, interesting thread ! While reading I wondered if there’s any preferential pricing on any of the toll autoroutes for BEV’s as a form of incentive ?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 02, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
I didn't notice any reduced tolls on the Autoroutes for BEVs - I don't know enough about French vehicle taxes, maybe they have incentives for ZE vehicles like we do in the UK?   

I was using my Liber-T  Peage tag so I'll get the rather hefty motorway toll bill at the end of the month!


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: Bugtownboy on August 02, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
Know what you mean - often tolls can cost more than fuel  :(


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 02, 2020, 10:44:55 AM
And here are a few flybys of some of the cycling I did - which was the whole point of this crazy dash across France!


Alpe D'Huez - https://www.relive.cc/view/vXOdBzdkp4q
Ventoux - https://www.relive.cc/view/vPOpNBQD1Eq
TT Bike training - https://www.relive.cc/view/vXOdBDWErkq



Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: M on August 02, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
Flippin heck Dan, I got tired just watching the replays.

Think I'll have a lie down now and some chocolate.


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: desperate on August 02, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Great thread Dan one to point the EV doubters to, definitive evidence an EV can go a long way. We did a similar trip last year to the south of France and just into Spain, I will compare our consumption to yours just for fun if you don't mind?

Desp


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 02, 2020, 09:04:27 PM
Feel free - it would be good to know that others have also had similar experiences


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: todthedog on August 03, 2020, 05:55:22 AM
I think I would be tired going up there in a car :genuflect


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: mabartlett on August 03, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Interesting read thank you.
Is your figure of 19p/mile correct? I make it 5p.
Have you perhaps done the calculation Upside down or is it me?


Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 03, 2020, 08:45:51 AM
You’re absolutely right I got the calculation the wrong way round - thank you for spotting that!  I did think 19p sounded a bit high - I didn’t use any Ionity chargers!



Title: Re: A little road trip
Post by: dan_b on August 03, 2020, 10:19:38 AM
Flippin heck Dan, I got tired just watching the replays.

Think I'll have a lie down now and some chocolate.

Thanks - actually the 3 peak one nearly broke me!  But it's amazing what you can do if you push yourself.