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« on: October 04, 2010, 10:43:28 AM »

Hi All,

My non-MCS install Solar system went live in March 2010. I applied for FITs through ROO-FIT with EON. My paperwork has just been processed and I have been offered 9p/kwh as a generation tariff. Very grateful as I am to have been offered FITs at all, I was under the impression that the rates for ROO-FIt would be 41p/kwh.

Is 9p/kwh the standard rate for ROO-FIT or should it be 41p/kwh. ??

Thanks,
Clive

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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2010, 06:33:49 PM »

I thought the RO FIT was going to be about 36p?
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »

Hi Clive,

As I understand the rules, you should have applied for ROC accreditation, which in your case, should result in the full FIT rate being recieved, however I could be wrong........ Roll Eyes

Follow the link:

http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainability/Environment/fits/Pages/fits.aspx#eligibility

Let the forum know how you get on with EON.

Best of luck!

John

PS How big is your system as I thought the ROO-FIT process was for installs between 50kW and 5MW?

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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2010, 08:12:12 PM »

Hi John,

Yes, that was my understanding. I applied for ROCs back in March when the system was installed so I have a  non MCS system installed between July2009 and April 1st 2010.

EON say that they believe it is because the system is non MCS and the 9p tariff was specified by ofgem. I've spoken to ofgem and have had two conflicting views, but then this is hardly surprising as there is such a lot of paperwork to scan through. I cannot find anything in the FIT documentation that states non-MCS systems installed during this period are subject to a lower tariff (although those installed pre july2009 are subject to a lower tariff).

Both EON and Ofgem have been extremely helpful and they will be talking to each other over the next few days to see if this is an error or not.

Watch this space, I hope it is good news.

Clive
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2010, 08:24:57 PM »

Hi Clive,

Refer them to their own document!

I beleive they created the interim rule because a few large installs were put up and it was discovered that the panels were not MCS approved, and thus it would have been neccessary to bin all the panels and start with fresh ones to get the full FIT rate.

Rgds

John.

More info in this link: http://www.ofgem.gov.uk/Sustainability/Environment/fits/Documents1/Ofgem-FIT%20Guidance%20Document%20for%20Licensed%20Electricity%20Suppliers%20(FINAL%20FOR%20PUBLICATION).pdf

 
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2010, 10:25:47 PM »

Thanks John,

I think this is the key paragraph:

3.3. To be eligible to join the FITs, an Installation must not exceed a Declared Net 
Capacity of 5MW (2kW in the case of CHP) and be a MCS­Certified Installation or be 
ROO­FIT Accredited. 

"OR be ROOFIT accredited".

The only reference to the lower tariff of 9p/kwh I have been able to find is for installations prior to July 2009.

Clive
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 10:02:19 AM »

I think this paragraph confirms my point:

"Microgenerators that are accredited under the RO and were commissioned before 15 July 2009 will transfer to FITs at a generation tariff of 9p/kWh and will receive support until 2027. Microgenerators that commissioned and applied for accreditation under the RO on or after 15 July 2009 and before 1 April 2010 will transfer to FITs at the appropriate tariff level for their scale and technology, and will receive support for 20 years (25 years for solar PV). Any microgenerators in a renewable technology not supported through FITs will remain eligible for support through the RO".

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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2010, 05:14:51 PM »

Hi all,
Just for some final feedback....

This appeared to be a genuine mistake. Ofgem provided EON with the incorrect tariff. Ofgem quickly corrected the mistake and EON posted out a new FIT agreement to me within two days that now has the correct 41p tariff which I need to sign and return.  extrahappy

Thanks to everyone for all their advice in tip-toeing through the FIT minefield and enabling one of the last self-builds to get payment. Although its never going to make me rich, at least it will pay for itself. I'm a happy camper  Smiley

Clive
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 03:56:54 PM »

Glad to here you got it sorted, hope I get my new FIT contract from SE soon........

John.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2011, 02:50:12 PM »

Good Afternoon,

After much delay I received my acceptance letter from SSE with regards to my system just prior to Xmas, unfortunately my entire system has been transferred at the £0.09 rate.
The original 1.28kW is as I expected and I have no issue with this but the 2.56kW commissioned in Oct 2009 is eligible for FITS (as I understand it even if not MCS compliant??).
The links referred to in this thread no longer work so can anybody advise which section of the OFGEM - FIT Guidance Document for Licensed Electricity Suppliers or any other relevant document I should be quoting to 'prove' my case.

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Richard
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2011, 05:39:00 PM »

I don't think it was ever specifically mentioned anywhere that extending an existing ROC-only system would be eligible for the full FiT rate if the extension  happened after July 2009 but before April 2010. Looks like you fall into a bit of a grey area.

I assume you have just one total generation meter? 
What details did you have registered under ROCs?  1 system or 2?
Was the extension registered for ROCs before the March 2010 deadline?
Do you know how your system appears on the FiT Register?

Section 10 of the Modifications to the Standard Conditions of Electricity Supply Licences covers some of this.

http://www.decc.gov.uk/assets/decc/what%20we%20do/uk%20energy%20supply/energy%20mix/renewable%20energy/policy/fits/1_20100331172153_e_@@_fitlicencemodification.pdf

as it allows pro-rating of readings from a single meter for an extended system to apply multiple rates.

You need to contact your supplier in the first instance to explain your circumstances to them as the ROC to FiT transfer probably hasn't captured all of the facts. If you get no joy then contact OFGEM.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2011, 07:09:54 PM »

Ted,

Firstly thanks for replying.

I have two meters, one for each system, as requested by SSE at the time I commissioned the second part (suggesting they saw it as separate from the 1.28kW 'ROC' system).

Yes the 'extension' was advised to SSE in Oct 2009.

Do you have a handy short cut to the FIT Register?

I already have an EM to SSE Microgeneration but was holding off sending it in case anybody came back with something relevant to my case.

Regards

Richard
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2011, 07:39:31 PM »

Ted,

I Google'd for the FIT Register. It has me listed as 3.36kW which worries me as OFGEM clearly can't add up 1.28 and 2.56kW. Additionally they have me down as being producing from 01/06/2008 i.e. a 12-13months earlier than my system was installed.

I've sent an EM off to SSE's Microgeneration branch - all I can do now is sit back and wait.

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Richard
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 02:12:45 AM »

I had an ROC system on my property. I dismantled this system and replaced it with a larger ROO-FIT system to ensure that I didn't fall into any grey-area traps. I also specified a new name for my generating station to avoid it accidentally being tarred with the old ROC brush. I note that Ofgem have changed the name of my new generating station to the old name  facepalm . I haven't received any payment yet, despite being the 175th person to apply for FITs, so I can't say for sure if they have got it right with the payments.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 10:58:12 PM »

Good Evening All,

Well I may be making progress I think. I got fed up of waiting for Atlantic (SSE) to get back to me so I phoned them last Friday having assembled lots of bits of paperwork and old EM's.

Having read these I realise why OFGEM think I had been producing from 06/08, it was simply because I had been. The system didn't get accredited until May 2009. According to the guy I was speaking to the critical date was the date the system first produced energy thus my second part install in Oct 2009 was more than a year later and, in his opinion,met the criteria to be viewed as a seperate FIT install (which is why I believe SSE advised that OFGEM would require a seond meter in the first place).

He sent me an EM later that day asking me to confirm dates and the serial no.'s of the meters and if everything added up to information they already had (which it certainly seems to do) then I should have my second part FIT approved. I have replied to his EM and am back to waiting again.

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Richard
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