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« Reply #315 on: June 06, 2016, 12:26:02 PM »

oh sweet ... , how did you find that Raven ?
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« Reply #316 on: June 06, 2016, 12:40:00 PM »

I know a breeder, put my name down for one after seeing last year's clutch. Collected him in April.

He's great fun, hard work like a puppy sometimes, but rewarding
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« Reply #317 on: June 08, 2016, 09:05:17 AM »

Great pics GG,
              I hope all goes well. Ravens are very intelligent and one of the few animals that can use human speech in it,s proper context.
   This was one of Lorenz,s observations that baffled him. Apparently his raven would fly on ahead of him on his walks, calling to him every so often.
   I would be afraid,he might get bored. It might be a good idea to get a mate for him, so that you can alternate their free range flights and have a
   genuine reason for them to return to you until they bond with you properly. If you were there when he exited the shell then you do not have that problem.
   I lived next to a family of Ravens that returned to the same nest year after year. I raised ducks right under their noses and they never touched a
   single duckling. When disaster did strike, it was Mr fox who did the dirty deed.
   I used to watch their courtship displays , the way they dropped like stones one time and then the next they would be cartwheeling to the ground,pulling back at the last moment.
   They would drop sticks in midair and the other would catch it or fly upside down with their feet sticking straight up. They had competition from various hawks and when the hawk
   would try and dive on them, they just turned upside down in midair and waited,talons outstretched.
   They were very laid back and easy going. They lived almost at the top of a steep cliff which was made of a soft shale and pretty impossible to climb, They caught the thermals from the sea
   and could stay aloft over our place for hours on end. They were supposed to take ducklings and young rabbits and all sorts but to be truthful I never got close enough to find out.
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« Reply #318 on: June 08, 2016, 10:03:19 AM »

It seems to be pretty typical to get them at 3 weeks in this country, hoping he will bond to me sufficiently. I will avoid getting him a mate unless i really can't give him enough time. It's early days.
I've started training him, the obvious commands like come, wait, perch and target.

Lucky you to have seen that behaviour, there are some local to us but i rarely get a glimpse
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« Reply #319 on: June 10, 2016, 11:54:39 AM »

Always fancied a raven, free flying but tame. Took a very poorly kestrel (dead next day) to the local bird man and there was a 10 week old raven sitting on a cardboard box. Fantastic creature. Had a go at feeding etc whilst kestrel was being examined. Did I want him said the man? The wife didn't look happy. After 30 mins, Master raven had sh*t one and a half bucket loads of poo. The wife bundled me back in the car never to return.

Was given a jackdaw chick a few days ago, looking like a survivor, a lot less poo.
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« Reply #320 on: June 10, 2016, 08:18:53 PM »

Always fancied a raven, free flying but tame. Took a very poorly kestrel (dead next day) to the local bird man and there was a 10 week old raven sitting on a cardboard box. Fantastic creature. Had a go at feeding etc whilst kestrel was being examined. Did I want him said the man? The wife didn't look happy. After 30 mins, Master raven had sh*t one and a half bucket loads of poo. The wife bundled me back in the car never to return.

Was given a jackdaw chick a few days ago, looking like a survivor, a lot less poo.

ha ha yeah they do make some mess! He's outdoor permanently now in the aviary, so i've cleaned up the office where he was spending his time with me.
I have bought him a 'flightsuit' that can contain a few hours worth of mess so i can have him indoor or take him places when he's properly bonded to me and out of the aviary

a few weeks in when he was starting to become mobile i was thinking perhaps a jackdaw might have been a better bet, but i wouldn't change him for the world
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« Reply #321 on: June 10, 2016, 09:04:11 PM »

Well they are going to poo a lot when they are growing, but I would expect they poo a lot less as adults
                                           After they wake up,they will need to relieve themselves and that is when you aim for some perch outside and praise them for pooing in that spot.
  I wonder would that work,? You cannot expect to be able to train them at this early stage because of their food intake and because they are growing so fast, I guess all that
  you can do is to create a situation where the Bird has to poo in a certain  spot and get rewarded for it,,So that means measuring his exact food intake, his exercises and the
  time it take for him to process the grub, so that you can have a good idea when to expect him to do his toilet and take the necessary precautions to make it as painfree as possible.
 Timing and routine pay big dividends in the canine world. Even awkward dogs can get fooled into thinking that they are winning and have their confidence boosted by the method above.
 Then they start getting it together themselves.s
  Ravens are renowned for being clever, so I guess they could learn quickly if you could get the message across.There was a time in my life that I would have loved the challenge but those
  days are long gone. We are content now with Diese and Sheba and a load of feral kittens outside somewhere. whistlie. We have mink and the magpies are back..
  I almost forgot our pet midges,,If any of you would like a few million, I will pass them on to you totally free of charge. Nothing will make you as active and put a spring in your step, like our
  midges and remember,,totally free of charge,, Im a sucker, I am,,giving everything away like this,  Cry
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« Reply #322 on: June 11, 2016, 07:17:18 AM »

Mrs T away in the UK  for a wedding. So all alone with the mutts and cat.
They are taking full advantage of her  absence
The cat has taken over her side of the bed.
It gets light extremely early here by 5am it is full daylight.
The dogs of course are awake and thinking of a walk closely followed by their tuck.
You can hear the tap tap of claws on the wooden floor. They wait by the bedroom door until they sense signs of life and in they come .
You dare not speak as this is interpreted  as hello dogs.

Mrs T away so why wait! They take it in turns to stick a cold wet nose in your face. Resistance is futile.

So the day gets to start a bit early!



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« Reply #323 on: June 11, 2016, 10:49:16 AM »

Hi Tod,
    They seem to have settled in very well.
   I would worry about the moose (Elk) in the forest. They are solitary creatures but they will attack and kill dogs
   or anyone along with them. They can run at 30mph and keep it up for ages.
   They are a mushers nightmare or any dog owners nightmare, they just do not like dogs.
    I think Sweden has more of them per sq km than any other country.
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« Reply #324 on: June 11, 2016, 08:32:33 PM »

A bit of a laugh Biff there are signs on the road beware of elk between 1km and 3.5 km I wonder if anyone has told the elk!

There are a lot of wild pigs hereabout as well.

Elliott is kept on his lead.
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« Reply #325 on: June 11, 2016, 09:24:34 PM »

Yes they are house-trainable and the perfect opportunity would have been when he was indoors and it was predictable (he would go immediately after his first/second swallow of food)
I'm just not bothered enough for that now he's outside.
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« Reply #326 on: June 15, 2016, 01:05:48 AM »

Our new party member,
               Four weeks and settling down.
   She can be quite physical which is surprising but I like that because she can ask for something by nudging or pushing.
 It is a steady journey and we have come a long way. Diese is charmed and she is doing him a power of good.
 They compete good natured,  her speed against his raw strength and nimble footwork.
 She gave up trying to bodycheck him some time ago Grin.They go well together and everyone is pretty pleased. genuflect
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« Reply #327 on: June 15, 2016, 11:36:02 AM »

 our  sweet in dreams Luna  cat  , cool  sleeping position ... wackoold



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« Reply #328 on: June 20, 2016, 02:14:37 PM »

 The weeks go by and Sheba,
                             Goes from strength to strength. She makes the odd mistake, we all make mistakes but it is up again and onwards.
 She is now on two good meals a day, roughly the same as Diese.She has a bit of a tummy showing,,very faint but a massive difference to the Greyhound coupling
 that she arrived here with. She is casting hairs at an unbelievable rate but that is normal. She just has to be groomed every day until her internal control systems
 level out. There has been so much that has happened to her over the past year that the reversing procedure will not happen overnight. It takes time.
 Meanwhile,,she absorbs as much info as she can. She is good for Diese and puts a spring in his step but apart from that, she is quite a character and has a great sense of humor.
 She is settling in nicely and should come into heat around September or before. there is absolutely no question of breeding but getting a heat over is very important for her head
 and general well being. There is no panic or rush in that respect. I get more time to train her before nature lays down the law. We never know what these adventure throw up.
 Like I have said many times, you could have the very best of everything and it could all blow up in your face at great expense and heartbreak. So we accept what we can and be thankful.
 All is good,
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« Reply #329 on: July 05, 2016, 12:52:03 PM »

   We watched "The Call of The Wild" once again, yesterday, Diese is a big fan of Buck,s.
                           Little Sheb, is getting used to the telly and now she gives out when the wolves attack the dogs.

  There are as many differences in Dog,s courtships than there are in Human courtships, We do not really understand why one dog could be a violent rapist and his son a tender lover who showers patience and gifts on his true love. But that us how it is. Aggression and the ability to violently subdue other dogs does not mean that the dog in question will take advantage. In fact, the opposite is mostly the case. Perhaps it is because they have got rid of the opposition that they can relax. But I have known a stud dog that was downright dangerous to be near when mating and the female dog in question had no say in the matter. (The same dog was later sent to a rescue centre for that particular breed). He would have been an excellent case study but with each mating he became more dangerous and unpredictable. I was given the opportunity to take him for free. I thanked and declined. The more I looked at him the less I liked him and yet his pups were winners in every field. (never show dogs back then)He was an absolute charmer but nobody could tell him what to do and he was so powerfull and strong that when he made it clear that someone was annoying him, it was time to give him space. Back then, He was also very expensive and rare. The present breed is a more relaxed one and they have been turning up in Crufts for the past 10years,


 It is nice to see her relaxing. She is also trying really hard to fit in. There is not a lot positive that I can say about the previous owners but then again, If they were any good,she would never have arrived here. She will soon be here 2 months and by September,she will be a different lady. There will be no pups in the foreseeable future, It is simply not an option, I doubt that she would be able to carry them the full term,such was her condition when she arrived here, However,come September and things will be different. Meanwhile, it,s salmon oil, sunflower oil,,liver and regular routine, Time is the greatest healer.
 I often think of old Nat. Never was a dog that got abused and mistreated as her, She was 3 months in a rescue centre before she came here on the end of a 10ft heavy chain with instructiion not to take the chain off her. It was years before I realised that she was a product of a puppy farm and had missed any kind of socialising in her early months. This meant that she was unable to communicate properly, She was all over you or else she was running away from you, A feast or a famine of affection. She overreacted to praise,,praise got her into trouble,,praise was bad news, praise was treachery incarnate. She also had problems with spaces , narrow confines and choosing a route,,always the most difficult one.
  You could not possible dwell on her steady,,she needed space and as much exercise that totally exhausted her and then let her sleep to wake to a decent meal and quietness. it is not that easy, no way, she would test you to the end and want to be your victim, I could see where the previous owners fell foul and entered the cycle of punishment and satisfaction but never progress.
  But she fell in love with Mrs Biff who never asked anything off her but gave her comfort and peace. That was the starting point. The rest began to fall into place bit by bit. Even after a good 12 months,she was still seeing the world on her own terms but by now she formed an attachment to the place and would have to be watched when unwelcome visitors came into the yard,
 Nat always moved silently to cut off the retreat to come in from behind. That took ages to soften up but we did not get many people wandering about the yard. Bit by bit she softened up and learned to enjoy life. She adored 4 legged Biff and humbled Xena in front of him in the nicest possible manner. She had perfect record for being clean and non destructive in the house which was surprising, She raised Diese as her own but put him in his place when she had to. It took her ages to realise I was deaf and when my hearing aid battery was failing and my voice raising to compensate,,she would stand four square to me in front of Mrs Biff,,give me that look that said,,  "Hey you,, what is your problem"?  I loved her for that..That charmed the hell out of me, It really did. We had great years together and the last few years of her life she allowed me to walk down the stairs beside her.In the end I had to help her up and down. She got a great run. I still have to plant that rose bush on her grave beside 4 legged Biff. Little Sheb has a hard act to follow but it is all there to play for.
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