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noah
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« on: December 28, 2016, 02:03:57 PM »

I`m planning on changing the generator on my hydro system and I need a G83 sensor/relay. There was one on ebay about a year ago but they seem to be as available as hens teeth.
It occurs to me that any grid tie inverter will have a G83 circuit included: can anyone advise re using the smallest(cheapest) kit that I could paralel  with a mains relay - or even find a broken one where the G83 bit still works?
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 02:28:09 PM »

I bought one of these;

https://www.comap.cz/products/detail/mainspro/#

Not cheap, but a nice package that seems to be used in many made up boxes by many companies.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 02:52:56 PM »

How much did it cost?
TVR does one for around 400 -
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2016, 03:03:26 PM »

I'll look for the invoice.

Try;

IPU Group, Churchbridge, Oldbury B69 2AS
T:+44 (0) 121 511 0400
F:+44 (0) 121 511 0430
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www.ipu.co.uk
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2016, 08:18:06 PM »

Having looked back I think it was about 500 inc vat.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2016, 08:51:21 PM »

We install those units on our g59 connections of over 16a per phase, they are very expensive and are for 3 phase supplies. Why not just run your hydro system through a single phase grid tie inverter, job done, inverters are cheap on ebay. There is no g83 circuit in an inverter its just various programmable settings that will disconnect if necessary.
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2016, 09:21:27 PM »

Should do the job,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ziehl-G59-3-UFR1001E-Electrical-control-box-IP30-single-phase-/172427345144?hash=item2825787cf8:g:O4MAAOSwU-pXvsoB

It looks like a 3 phase unit but the inputs are wired in parallel.
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2016, 11:05:42 PM »

I have a G35/G59 relay I bought from guy on here when I had a plan for a system... plan changed so it's spare now, happy to sell it to you for what I paid him for it (100+p+p)

you'll have to give me a while to dig it out tho, I moved and have no idea where it is!


it's a simple relay, doesn't sync you up with the grid etc.. just disconnects you if there's a problem


I was going to use it for a CHP system, synchronize it manually and just have the relay in before the grid connection to keep the DNO happy
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 12:18:15 AM »

Actually I need 3 phase - monitoring 1 phase is probably 99.9% reliable, but....
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 10:25:08 AM »

Is this the same thing
http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/196996/Voltagefrequency-monitoring-relay-Ziehl-UFR1001-No-of-relay-outputs-2

http://www.ziehl.com/

as used by I believe Nedap and Victron on some applications
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2016, 10:40:56 AM »

Yes, I believe so. The eBay ones I linked to are a bargain. Remove the Eaton relay/contactor and replace with a 3 phase version, remove the input phase links and add the other 2 phases, reset the settings, job done. Grin
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »

Actually I need 3 phase - monitoring 1 phase is probably 99.9% reliable, but....

it is 3 phase :-)    (I've got 3 phase here and was going to generate 3 phase)
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2016, 07:14:58 PM »

Knighty -looks like the best/easiest deal - I will PM you.

To all : thanks for feedback
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