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« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2018, 08:25:28 AM »

It’s a really interesting question to try to define what it is about an electric car that is so “enjoyable”... perhaps
* totally smooth at all times
* no clutch work required (and far nicer than automatics too)
* much better in stop/start traffic or slow eg. Around town
* silent engine
* instant torque when you press the accelerator

Everyone should try one!
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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2018, 08:28:48 AM »

All EVs are on extended waiting list partly because of a underestimation of demand but partly the manufacturers do not really want to produce such a loss making car.  In VWs case the e golf must be loss making but it is a compliance car required by EU pollution levels on car manufacturers so they produce just enough to allow them to sell there very profitable FF cars.  Producing some EVs does allow them to become involved and keep the name in the EV market until such times as it becomes profitable from a production and supply point of view.

I have had my P Ion for 2 yrs during which time it has gone up in value, no maintenance (except 2 tyres and a wiper blade) ,no road tax,no fuel as it charged by PV  = zero cost motoring- happy

Whats the unique feature is the one pedal operation as the regen slows the vehicle down without constantly having to jab the brakes (another cost saving).  Like motorbike riding in some ways.

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« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2018, 10:30:30 AM »

It’s a really interesting question to try to define what it is about an electric car that is so “enjoyable”... perhaps
* totally smooth at all times
* no clutch work required (and far nicer than automatics too)
* much better in stop/start traffic or slow eg. Around town
* silent engine
* instant torque when you press the accelerator

Everyone should try one!

Yep, this is what will get EVs mainstream rather than environmental concerns.

Once you have totally wasted a few boy racers at the traffic light grand prix with no effort and in complete silence there is no going back.

Childish? Yes, but that's the kind of thing that a lot (not all) people buy cars on - image, performance, over sized alloy wheels, gadgets, keeping up with the Jones etc.
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« Reply #78 on: July 20, 2018, 02:01:57 PM »

Good Morning All,

We've been running the Zoe for 2.75 months now and are managing to keep within the 833.3miles 'allowed' per month. Operating costs have 'risen' to 0.9p per mile as we are charging more at home currently (school holidays).

The kwhr per miles figure is currently averaging out at 0.242.

No issues and it is still the vehicle I'd prefer to drive rather than the Skoda. Overall I'd still prefer the Discovery (Td5 Auto) mainly for the room and 'view' but it only comes out when necessary.

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Richard
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« Reply #79 on: July 20, 2018, 02:22:45 PM »

60 kWh (or so) Leaf confirmed for next year (fingers crossed for Env200 too). With Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro and Model 3, that's four models of minimum 150 miles range which should all be available for less than £30k as of next year. Tipping point approaching I think.
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« Reply #80 on: July 20, 2018, 02:34:02 PM »

60 kWh (or so) Leaf confirmed for next year (fingers crossed for Env200 too). With Hyundai Kona, Kia Niro and Model 3, that's four models of minimum 150 miles range which should all be available for less than £30k as of next year. Tipping point approaching I think.
Yes, especially with recent news that BP and Shell will start deploying their own superchargers.....
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« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2018, 03:04:45 PM »

Invested in the second generation Nissan Leaf a couple of months ago and I can confirm it is brilliant. The driving experience was a revelation. In e pedal mode you rarely even use the brake. Hill starts - just press the pedal, see a gap in the traffic - just press the pedal. Torque right from stop. The whole experience is really calm and quiet but with the power if you need it (110kW).
The 42kWh battery gives an indicated range over 170 miles and electricity consumption has been 0.208kWh/mile since day one.
Don't hesitate, the future is here.
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PS I'm not employed by Nissan I have really been blown away by this car!
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« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2018, 11:13:32 AM »

Good Morning All,

Well that's us just broken through the 3000 mile barrier with the Zoe.

It's running at 0.272kWhr per mile which seems high in comparison to figures posted for the Leaf but I can only report as I find it.

We continue to charge predominantly in town, (courtesy of the Scottish rate and tax payers), with home charging running at £24.04 giving a cost of 0.8p per mile (ignoring the PCP and battery lease costs.........).

Regards

Richard
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« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2018, 05:41:48 PM »

we were getting 5 miles to a kilowatt, but just dropped  4.2 in the cold weather. Regularly getting over 200 miles from a full charge in the summer, down to 170 now Huh  Sad

Love the Zoe, now 15 months of effortless driving at zero charging costs..  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2018, 10:19:03 AM »

Regarding range loss in colder weather would it be unreasonable to fit an Eberspacher or Webasto diesel-powered air-heater to an EV?
I know it partly reduces the environmental benefit of having an EV in the first place, but the heater will only use about a quarter of a litre per hour.
This means about 18 hours heating for 1 gallon, or about 1,000 MPG for heating, at 60 mph (motorway?)
Doing 10,000 miles per year, with half of that needing heat , means 5,000 miles = 5 gallons, so a big supply tank is not needed.
I'd do it as an experiment; I know the cost would be higher, but still cheaper than an additional battery just for heating.
Obviously one wouldn't do this to a brand-new car, but a second-hand unit fitted to an older vehicle might be worth the effort.
 
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« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2018, 11:05:47 AM »

Nickel2,

I can only speak for the Zoe but it has a pre-heat function available if the car is plugged in so it can be programmed to have the car nice and toasty for when you set off to work.

There are two drawbacks with this from my perspective. One the charge lead needs to be connected and two this feature is fine if you know when you're setting off on your journey.

The alternate though is that you can press a button on the key fob from your back door and the A/C switches on. This relies on their being at least 45% charge in the batteries and switch off after 5 minutes.

Regards

Richard
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« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2018, 12:44:46 PM »

Regarding range loss in colder weather would it be unreasonable to fit an Eberspacher or Webasto diesel-powered air-heater to an EV?

Unless I'm misunderstanding your suggestion? I think the issue is battery chemistry, rather than the kWh for space heating in the car.  Re: space heating - seat heaters are more frugal than cabin air heaters - but I am not inclined to put on a bobble hat just so I can drive the car on seat-heaters-only; i-Pace has heat-pump (Tesla is Resistive) so will be interesting to see what difference that makes.

Space heating power-cost is more of an issue in town traffic (when range probably not a problem) whereas at Motorway speeds its a small percentage of the propulsion energy.

I plan based on February range being 20% less than "best Summer day" (i.e. not so hot as to need AirCon).  My February whole-month-average consumption is worse than that, but includes all short trips, where battery is cold-soaked and I heat the cabin.

Worst case would be travelling-salesman, making multiple stops for an hour+, and battery cold-soaked before setting off each time so significant energy-penalty at the start of each segment.

Tesla uses shore-power, if connected, for both cabin and battery heating, before departure. Can set from Phone APP and most 3rd party gadgets have Scheduler.  Mine is set to precondition car before my normal early-morning departure on weekdays, but only if parked at Home, and again in the evening before departure, only if parked at work.  Can also limit that to "only if plugged in"
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« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2018, 12:46:06 PM »

P.S. I have thought about insulating under floor mats with AeroGel to see if that helps. Front footwells do not heat well in Tesla.
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« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2018, 03:34:50 PM »

The Zoe is only drawing 1 Kw with the heat pump on. It's always toasty warm even when well below freezing outside. That would give you nearly 2 days of constant heat if stuck in a snow drift! When you are driving along, frugally, using 15 Kw of power, the extra 1 Kw is negligible. In my opinion.

Mike
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« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2018, 04:14:10 PM »

I'm sure I heard that the Leaf has a resistive heater for the battery for really cold conditions.
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