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« on: February 27, 2018, 09:14:06 PM »

Good Evening All,

Just had a quick look at Gridwatch and am trying to make sense of the fact we're apparently taking 1GW from Holland and then giving 1GW to France.................

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2018, 09:31:35 PM »

Just recently everything on gridwatch dosn't make sense. Some political manouvering perhaps? or just middlemen making money off the masses.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2018, 11:19:30 PM »

Just recently everything on gridwatch dosn't make sense. Some political manouvering perhaps? or just middlemen making money off the masses.

It all makes perfect sense if you realise there is a European shortage of gas and we only ever have 15 days of gas storage capacity maybe a lot less in a really cold spell. Therefore use as much of everything else we have and save the gas stocks as at some point in this cold spell the wind is likely to drop to zero for probably 3 days at which point gas will be critical. Fortunately wind and solar in this cold spell has been far higher than normal.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 08:07:19 AM »

Just had a quick look at Gridwatch and am trying to make sense of the fact we're apparently taking 1GW from Holland and then giving 1GW to France.................

That's not that rare.

It's markets being rational and doing helpful things.

I don't know which combination of the usual reasons it will be in this case; at a guess, it's simply that transmission capacity from Holland to France is already maxed out, so the NL-FR trade is using the UK as additional transmission capacity.

In general, this means that all participants get higher energy security, and at a lower price.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 08:44:27 AM »

National grid can make some money using their grid assets to shift power from NL to FR.
Look at the French load, 94.5 GW, in part due to space heating using electric resistance heaters.
France is exporting v little at present.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 10:17:13 AM »

Good Morning All,

Apparently they're reducing electricity consumption in Aberdeen as the boys school doesn't have any...................

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 01:38:41 AM »

Maybe France's import need is greater than what ever NL-FR can provide so we're being a way station?

If there even is such a thing. Maybe it's better than using what ever they've cobbled together in Belgium if their grid is anything like their roads
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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 07:41:52 AM »

https://transparency.entsoe.eu/transmission-domain/physicalFlow/show

Select (Border/Country) for it to make more sense
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2018, 11:04:26 AM »

I spoke to someone who works for EDF trading the other week and he explained about what they do.

They have gas and electricity power station assets and each day they predict what the wholesale prices are going to be. And from that, they instruct the power stations how much elecy to generate and when.

Sometimes, if the gas price is really high they donít generate anything and sell the gas on instead.
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