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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2018, 09:30:05 AM »

Good Morning All,

As I think I've made clear in other postings on different threads most of us are making decisions based on economics skewed with environmental concerns.

The Zoe was bought through a 50/ 50% mix of the two considerations.

The Skoda Fabia was more economics driven. The Zoe can't carry three kayaks and all the associated paraphernalia and reliably deliver us to those locations further away from home we'd need to get to in winter. On the surface it was more economic than the (petrol) Golf it replaced - 34mpg v. 45mpg so although diesel powered was a 'logical' choice.

It is somewhat predictable that some makers are focusing their EV attentions on the upper end of the market.

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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2018, 11:54:33 AM »

I bought a brand new diesel in 2016, a Volvo V40 D2  Wanted an EV then but just wasnt viable for our domestic situation, the amount of driving I do, and frankly none of the EVs back then were the car I wanted/could afford.  Mine was based on MPG, VED and parking costs- all significantly better for me with diesel vs the petrol equivalent.  And frankly petrols are not clean either.  My next car will be an EV though and probably/hopefully the Tesla 3.

For the company car fleets, I understand that the benefit in kind tax rate for full EVs is changing dramatically next year as a means of incentivising EV fleet adoption- I believe it might be 0% - which, coupled with the arrival of longer range mile muncher executive car EVs like the iPace, the Model 3 etc will probably make those cars quite a popular choice...

BEV BIK rates are 13% this year, 16% next year and 2% for 2020/21

I hate diesels....  screw the economics, they're killing us! 





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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2018, 12:09:59 PM »

Thanks - odd that BEV BIK is going up next year before falling significantly the year after, I hadn't realised that.
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2018, 12:15:08 PM »

Zero BIK for EVs here in Ireland, supposedly for at least 3 years.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2018, 02:28:07 PM »

Thanks - odd that BEV BIK is going up next year before falling significantly the year after, I hadn't realised that.

I've always assumed it was a cockup, but impossible?? to rectify once hard-wired into all the accounting Rules and Regs.

It was 50% (from memory) of normal car BiK  before the 2-year-blip, and is returning to "nothing", so why someone didn't say "Get rid of the blip in the two middle years" beats me.

100% first year writeofff available to business too. Accountants tend not to like that [there is "profit on sale" to pay tax on at the end], and prefer straight-line, but business owners I speak to say "I can do nothing with the account's 1K p.a.., but 10K as a lump sum, available for 3 years and then pay back 80% of it, Yup I can do something with that".
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2018, 01:43:26 PM »

As predicted, the latest lot to own up is Nissan:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44763905

Imagine my surprise. The previous emission tier standards figures were fudged, so governments then upped the emission standards to be impossible financially.

Sooner or later they will all own up to fiddling results. Even the purest white of drifted snow will show signs of diesel soot...
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2018, 10:02:57 AM »

Mercedes as well🙄
https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1IQ1AY

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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2018, 02:07:07 PM »


Thanks for that. I did get the impression that they were all at it.
There is a big difference in my mind between gaming the system (sticking strictly to the letter of the law) and cheating. Some of the stuff was gaming - which I'm comfortable with in the sense that it should come as no surprise, and then there was cheating, dissembling, fraud.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 03:01:52 PM »

Just as I and many others predicted, various diesel vehicle manufacturers apart from VW would have "skewed" their emission figures to meet the latest standards.

Oh look, Mercedes appears to have been caught in the trap of impossible standards, providing their own brand of 'skewing'...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44444361

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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 06:30:31 PM »


Thanks for that. I did get the impression that they were all at it.
There is a big difference in my mind between gaming the system (sticking strictly to the letter of the law) and cheating. Some of the stuff was gaming - which I'm comfortable with in the sense that it should come as no surprise, and then there was cheating, dissembling, fraud.

I agree, i'd use the analogy from taxation ie. avoidance vs evasion, as always the lawyers make a fortune trying to find the 'tipping point'.
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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2018, 11:10:59 PM »

I heard of at least 4 ways in which they cheated
1) A simple timer - after 23 minutes (test is 20 minutes) the emissions control is turned off
2) A wheel rotation detector - detects only one set is being driven on the rolling road. EC is on. Otherwise Off
3) A sterring wheel movement detector - Keeps the EC on until wheel moves by 15 degrees. Then off
4) Temperature. You're allowed to turn EC off when its too cold. Maybe 0C, 5C you'd think. How about 17C! (Test is at 20C).

As an engineer I'm impressed by the ingenuity. But otherwise, it is cheating
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