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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 11:14:22 AM »

Thanks

I am aware of Corten steel , but  i do not want the rusty look in this case ,  and then just plain flat mild steel would do  for a fraction of the price .
Thats what i use for  years

Client says they take it on their risk  , so will go for blackening  the steel elements , (find out a price first )  will be about 25 m2
 garden

Will see

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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 11:45:48 AM »

Have you considered using wrought iron rather than mild steel. Not easy to get hold of but it much more resistant to corrosion. I know there was a water wheel in weardale (near Kilhope) made of wrought iron which was left untouched and open to the elements for many years (it wasn't even touched during the second world war) yet seemed to have hardly corroded at all and was always black in colour (though it maybe 40 years or so since I had a close look) and it still there.

Most "wrought iron" sold today is just mild steel as it is sold on the basis of what it might be used for rather than how it was made.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 01:04:51 PM »

Have you considered using wrought iron rather than mild steel. Not easy to get hold of but it much more resistant to corrosion. I know there was a water wheel in weardale (near Kilhope) made of wrought iron which was left untouched and open to the elements for many years (it wasn't even touched during the second world war) yet seemed to have hardly corroded at all and was always black in colour (though it maybe 40 years or so since I had a close look) and it still there.

Most "wrought iron" sold today is just mild steel as it is sold on the basis of what it might be used for rather than how it was made.

I was not aware you could get wrought iron sheet but apparently you can https://www.realwroughtiron.com/wrought-iron-products-and-services/standard-sections/ probably costs an arm and a leg right enough but I bet it woul look lovely just blackened or even oiled with linseed oil.

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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 01:17:06 PM »

..... see ,  i use that  mild steel usually for an cost efficient idea  , and i can curve, weld  and bend it easy  

Wrought iron , i  use too if it suits


edit : a m2 mild steel 5 mm thick costs about 60 Euro    ........ can someone   translate from Paul linked  pricelist for me ?    whistlie
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 03:09:42 PM »

..... see ,  i use that  mild steel usually for an cost efficient idea  , and i can curve, weld  and bend it easy  

Wrought iron , i  use too if it suits


edit : a m2 mild steel 5 mm thick costs about 60 Euro    ........ can someone   translate from Paul linked  pricelist for me ?    whistlie

Aye Billi, it is a bit long winded and very Imperial, so each price is for one linear foot ( 305mm) and the sizes are say, 1 1/4 5/16 means one and a quarter inches by five sixteenths of an inch or 32 x 8mm in the real world.

Perhaps when we leave the EU we can really ‘take back control’ and go back to these lovely Imperial units  hysteria

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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2019, 04:52:52 PM »

all plumbing here in france in imperial.......
they call it system american.
most fittings still have imperial marks on them, packets show mm translation.
pipes are true 1/2 3/4 and 1"

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 04:58:15 PM »

 
all plumbing here in france in imperial.......
they call it system american.
most fittings still have imperial marks on them, packets show mm translation.
pipes are true 1/2 3/4 and 1"

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I honestly thought the French had more sense  hysteria
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 06:13:59 PM »

from what i understand, when eu or ecc ruled all should be metric, uk changed the sizes, french decided that repackaging in mm dims would comply.
they call an inch a thumb.
even when i point out what bsp means they say system american.......

i used speedfit pipe and had to convert by bronze imperial fittings!

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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 07:41:01 PM »


even when i point out what bsp means they say system american.......



Now I really thought the French had more sense than that BSP (British Standard Pipe) is 'what it says on the tin' and NPT (National Pipe Thread) is the American standard fer fecks sake it was Napoleon that invented it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_metric_system well at least the French. Mind you it was that despot that started all his conquered countries driving on the wrong side of the road too  facepalm  facepalm
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