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Bodidly
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« on: October 09, 2019, 05:34:50 PM »

I suspect like many others here I get into discussions with folk about climate change. I am often taken aback by the number of people who are in complete denial of where we are at but would like to arm myself with reliable sources of information on the subject. It seems we are in an age where both sides of the debate tend to use bias information which is a game I do not wish to join in with.

So are there any easy to comprehend and reliable sources of info on atmospheric CO2, world temperatures and the relationship between the two. Also historical data on the two.

Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2019, 06:01:56 PM »

Lots of easy to find info here,     https://ourworldindata.org/
If you go to,     Research by topic > Energy     you get to the climate change stuff.


For example, these three graphs are my depressing baseline on the problem.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-fossil-fuel-consumption     (even with all the wind and solar installed recently its still going up !)

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co2-concentration-long-term

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/temperature-anomaly
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2019, 07:01:07 PM »

The Met Office should be enough:- https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2019, 08:18:46 PM »

One of the most useful is Skeptical Science which has a large list of denier arguments and what the actual truth is  https://skepticalscience.com/ 

Real Climate has some occasional  feature articles but also has a monthly discussion/comment area (Unforced Variations) which often looks at the detail of topical items and also gives you the chance to ask experts across the globe what the facts are on a particular issue or event.  http://www.realclimate.org/
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2019, 11:12:54 PM »

I think you will find NASA has the most comprehensive data available

https://climate.nasa.gov/
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2019, 11:52:40 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2019, 06:22:47 PM »

I agree with you Bodidly.
Quite worrying that so many people deny the facts.

A few weeks ago someone far more knowledgable than I spoke about vegetation recoverred from below the antarctic ice cap. Proving that historic CO2 levels were higher than now along with higher sea water levels. As the carbon was sequesterred into coal, oil and gas, the climate changed and the poles iced up, reducing sea levels. Now we are rapidly reversing the carbon sequestration. Once the permafrost melts and the methane escapes, then Earth turns into a version of Venus and game over. Very sad!
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2019, 10:24:12 AM »

Can I give this topic a nudge .

 And ask if anyone has some good ideas .
as to what is the most convincing data to feed to  sceptic 

thanks Patrick
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2019, 06:00:34 PM »

Can I give this topic a nudge .

 And ask if anyone has some good ideas .
as to what is the most convincing data to feed to  sceptic  

thanks Patrick

For me its the temperature timeline. Various versions online and the picture can be hard to share due to its shape but this vid shows it all. Pretty hard to explain away the recent warming when you see it in this context. Hope it's based on good data  fingers crossed! Oh blast I am not sure this is viewable. Anyone help on how to share a youtube clip?

 
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2019, 10:22:04 PM »

one might consider focusing on human population growth and associated consumption as a means to an end in getting your point across

not wishing to conflate issues but population growth is the primary cause of man made climate change and stimulated consumption beyond sustainable levels with very damaging effects

obvious impacts are fresh water supply issues and air contamination which are killing thousands of people now.

warming and associated effects have a longer time to play out and become irrefutable to sceptics. at which time theres no going back
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2020, 09:58:55 PM »

If there is still interest in this topic

I have just viewed

https(remove)://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWahKIG4BE4                   ( almost 90 minutes )

Dr Moore presents a quantity of data mostly in graphs most of which  I found to be reassuring .

I would like to think they would have been torn to shreds were they to have misrepresented the true situation .

For myself it is  the warming of the oceans and continuing loss of ice from Greenland that so concerns me 

So if anyone can be bothered to watch I would be very intrested to hear their views on the matter.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2020, 03:22:38 PM »

If there is still interest in this topic

I have just viewed

Dr Moore presents a quantity of data mostly in graphs most of which  I found to be reassuring .

I would like to think they would have been torn to shreds were they to have misrepresented the true situation .


Moore's crank arguments have been torn to shreds.

Repeatedly.

For decades.

Ever since he got kicked out of Greenpeace many decades ago, he's tried to make it his life's work to contradict anything and everything they say, regardless of what the truth is.

https://skepticalscience.com/ is a good repository of myth-busting , to take down charlatans like Moore and others.
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