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Author Topic: PHEV - A wolf in sheep's clothing?  (Read 785 times)
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« on: September 16, 2020, 12:19:00 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

Can't say I'm surprised, rather than PHEV would be better to consider them battery assisted ICE.
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2020, 01:43:06 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

Can't say I'm surprised, rather than PHEV would be better to consider them battery assisted ICE.

and next week someone will realise that the "self charging" hybrids are not that great either - to me Toyota's "self charging hybrid" is one of the most misleading, irritating, if not offensive, ads on TV (Note I don't watch much TV so not seen many ads at all, but somehow I manage to catch the Toyota one quite a lot).
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2020, 02:14:13 PM »

Perhaps it is time that the WLTP is changed so that the official mpg or l/km is determined over 62.5 miles or 100km.
That will give a more realistic average for PHEVs.

And maybe include an mpg or l/km with no battery assist.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2020, 03:04:32 PM »

Yeah it's clear the testing regimen doesn't show the real world driving of PHEVs.  But then I think they probably never will.
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2020, 03:28:36 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

Can't say I'm surprised, rather than PHEV would be better to consider them battery assisted ICE.

and next week someone will realise that the "self charging" hybrids are not that great either - to me Toyota's "self charging hybrid" is one of the most misleading, irritating, if not offensive, ads on TV (Note I don't watch much TV so not seen many ads at all, but somehow I manage to catch the Toyota one quite a lot).

I'm with you, it's a disgusting claim, but I suppose 'self charging off the petrol you put in, at a very poor efficiency' is a bit of a mouth full. I hope that nobody falls for it, but I suppose many people will look at BEV's (and PHEV's) that are plugged in, and think 'why didn't they go for one of those clever self charging cars instead?'
If Toyota's claim is acceptable, then the SEC will have a hard time criticising Nikola for showing their HFC semi rolling down a hill with their defence that they only said it was in motion, they never said it was self powered ........ nor I suppose self charging!
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2020, 04:20:40 PM »

I have read, or been told, that many PHEVs have never been plugged in since delivery - they were purchased simply as the cheapest fleet vehicle tax-wise.🙂
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »

I have been told this first hand by sales director I know  The last round of their sales reps' ompany cars were PHEVs because as you say tax incentives, but also they were trying to reduce fuel costs and be a bit more green.   They then ran the numbers and discovered the PHEVs were less efficient than the diesels they had before, significantly below the claimed MPGs and indeed the cost of the petrol claims were higher.  The only explanation was that they were never plugged in.   They're now moving back to petrol, and with electric as an option.  No diesel at all.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2020, 10:20:24 AM »

I have been told this first hand by sales director I know  The last round of their sales reps' ompany cars were PHEVs because as you say tax incentives, but also they were trying to reduce fuel costs and be a bit more green.   They then ran the numbers and discovered the PHEVs were less efficient than the diesels they had before, significantly below the claimed MPGs and indeed the cost of the petrol claims were higher.  The only explanation was that they were never plugged in.   They're now moving back to petrol, and with electric as an option.  No diesel at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people using them as company cars never plugged them in at home because they don;t want to pay for the electric to charge them?


I know a few people who think like that....
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2020, 10:29:50 AM »

Toyota have, with their recent "self charging hybrid" advertisements, very cleverly destroyed their brand image which they've spent billions of advertising dollars squeezing into my head over the years. What idiots they are. I wish them all the worst, perhaps even a partnership with Nikola....., Oh. hang on.....GM pipped them to the post. Smiley 
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2020, 03:34:42 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

Can't say I'm surprised, rather than PHEV would be better to consider them battery assisted ICE.

and next week someone will realise that the "self charging" hybrids are not that great either - to me Toyota's "self charging hybrid" is one of the most misleading, irritating, if not offensive, ads on TV (Note I don't watch much TV so not seen many ads at all, but somehow I manage to catch the Toyota one quite a lot).

Oh god, yes. They are wrong, wrong, wrong. Totally deliberately misleading. I do keep meaning to write to the ASA, as I feel that they are actually lying.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2020, 03:37:47 PM »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

Can't say I'm surprised, rather than PHEV would be better to consider them battery assisted ICE.

I do know someone who uses his PHEV as it is supposed to be used. Charges it every night. Most of his runs are short ones - so 60 - 80% of his mileage is on Battery electric. Thinks it is fantastic. He is a techie though, and wouldn't do otherwise.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2020, 04:16:38 PM »

Was interesting to spot a Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV plugged in at my local Sainsbury’s Pod-Point this morning- so that’s at least one doing it right.  I occasionally see a BMW 5 series with a plug there too. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2020, 07:03:06 PM »

Do they pay for their fuel, or is it "free" (i.e added to your [our]  shopping bill?)
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2020, 07:27:25 PM »

Do they pay for their fuel, or is it "free" (i.e added to your shopping bill?)
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Tesco is “free” (7kW subsidised by VW), Morrisons you have to pay but they provide 22kW chargers. I don’t know about Asda and Sainsbury’s because the stores near me don’t have chargers.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2020, 03:44:37 PM »

Do they pay for their fuel, or is it "free" (i.e added to your shopping bill?)
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Tesco is “free” (7kW subsidised by VW), Morrisons you have to pay but they provide 22kW chargers. I don’t know about Asda and Sainsbury’s because the stores near me don’t have chargers.

I'd have thought a 7kW charger in a supermarket car park would be an almost total waste fo time? 1 hour shopping - 7kWh = 21 miles range.It really does not seem to be terribly useful. Now 22KW, that's getting useful.  Grin
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