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« on: July 21, 2009, 05:30:58 PM »

Does anybody know how much oil does a chip shop produce on average every month?
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 06:27:57 PM »

you dont need to double post...

My local exchanges a 25 litre drum every week - I have heard of other who never change it...
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 06:38:36 PM »

Most use solid fats not liquid oils.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 06:55:35 PM »

Read this

http://www.navitron.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1319.0.html

only 57 pages but everything you need to know about lard.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 07:04:08 PM »

So most chip shops use lard? So do restrants use liquid oil?
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 09:53:22 PM »

No hard and fast answers to be honest. It varies a lot depending on the area - some traditional chippies use actual lard or dripping, many of the others use a solid product - name escapes me at the minute though!

Restaurants may use any of the above, or various vegetable oils depending on how posh they are. Some - like Chinese places often use the old oils to incorporate in sauces so rarely have anything to dispose of.

Frequency of changing depends on the establishment - some will use it once and some will use it until it's gone almost black.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 10:12:11 PM »

So i gues if i ask a chippy if they use liquid oil what is the chances they use it?
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 10:15:41 PM »

why do you want liquid oil, used to be the case (may still be) that there is no tax due on a road fuel that is solid @ 15o just heat your tank
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 11:04:54 PM »

why do you want liquid oil, used to be the case (may still be) that there is no tax due on a road fuel that is solid @ 15o just heat your tank

You can do 2500L per year now & not pay any taxes anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2009, 12:15:22 AM »

yeah, forgot that...
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2009, 01:01:43 AM »

If you are collecting oil, you will have to give a Waste Transfer Note to keep you and the supplier legal. Quite simple, available on line.  It saves it being poured down drains or dumped - both illegal.  Often paid for at cú2 / 20 Litres.


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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2009, 02:06:12 AM »

Waste collection licence ISN'T required. It's a contentious issue, but I checked with our local Environment Agency and they confirmed it wasn't necessary. You can even fill our a waste transfer note (check the 'no requirement to register' box) if your oil supplier requires a waste transfer note. The critical thing is that the oil isn't considered to be a waste if it is being used in the manufacture of biodiesel
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 09:30:36 AM »

Thats interesting Ivan as in other industries any waste that is later processed in to a "product" is still counted as carrying waste IF

a, you dont produce & process the waste yourself
b, you dont own the waste (like tree surgeons that trim or cut a hedge or tree & then "buy" [even if no money changes hands as it will be balanced in the price charged] it from you to make fire wood or mulsh)


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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 10:01:47 AM »

If you're thinking of starting to collect oil the best bet is just go and ask round everywhere you can think of and see what they say.

It varies from area to area but in most places the oil will already be being collected and probably being well paid for as well. From what I see its difficult to get hold of the oil these days unless you already know someone who has waste oil.

Locally I see several companies driving round in lorries paying to collect the oil to use for biodiesel etc. and individuals don't stand a chance. It may be different in your area but you'll only find out if you go knocking on doors!

As already said the solid lard may be easier to get hold of, although even the mighty Frotter was reporting a bit of a 'Lard Crunch'.

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 12:56:45 PM »

If you're thinking of starting to collect oil the best bet is just go and ask round everywhere you can think of and see what they say.

It varies from area to area but in most places the oil will already be being collected and probably being well paid for as well. From what I see its difficult to get hold of the oil these days unless you already know someone who has waste oil.

Locally I see several companies driving round in lorries paying to collect the oil to use for biodiesel etc. and individuals don't stand a chance. It may be different in your area but you'll only find out if you go knocking on doors!

As already said the solid lard may be easier to get hold of, although even the mighty Frotter was reporting a bit of a 'Lard Crunch'.



The rules in England & Wales (not sure about Scotland) are the same, there is some local 'translations' that differ. 

Used cooking oil IS a low level hazardous waste, and until 'consumed' is subject to storage and transfer regulation. 
A waste collectors licence is NOT required for personal use SO LONG AS IT IS NOT SOLD ie surplus put onto ebay.
A Waste transfer note is always required when transferring or transporting any quantity, although a 'season ticket' WTN is allowable.
Many places may not know about WTNs but it is good practice to educate them, for their sake and yours, so easy to stay legal.
Getting hold of oil is variable from place to place, some it has a premium, others are paying to have it disposed of. (Not that common now, but still happens)

Chip shops often use lard 'cos it taste better' if they are less concerned by your heart! It is harder to use, leave it for those making Biodiesel unless you know you can burn it of do a frotter!

Liquid veggie oil is easier to use if being filtered AND dewatered and blended with diesel and petrol - DEPENDING ON VEHICLE - NOT modern (CRDs) or DPF fitted vehicles.  Winter poses more challenges.

Some more details & links on http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=8253

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