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Author Topic: Wind turbines and solar panels could be put up without planning permission  (Read 3516 times)
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« on: November 18, 2009, 12:59:40 PM »

plans to have no need for planning permission on small turbines up to 15m in height- sounds good to me!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/17/planning-permission-turbines-solar
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 01:06:38 PM »

Unfortunately, much of this is at  a "teapot" level of total misunderstanding of what precisely constitutes a green technology - hells teeth, the Grauniad has even used a picture of a Swindlesave (will someone tell the eejits in government that the major maker of teapots has gone broke........) whistlie
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 01:10:00 PM »

yes- and the picture makes it abundantly clear that it's badly positioned!
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 01:37:04 PM »

And only systems that are MCS accredited will be allowed under permitted development, everything else will continue to require planning permission - see my other thread.
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 02:00:53 PM »

The Irish planning exemption for wind turbines is also flawed.   It still has a condition that  removes the exemption where there is adverse environmental impact.   It means that at least one installed turbine complying with the  conditions has had to be removed.     
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2009, 12:52:50 AM »

....and windsave are back in business, due to new investors, aren't they?
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 09:17:10 AM »

Might be.

Their website now says:
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please contact Julian Bailey or Natalie Biasin from Kreab Gavin Anderson
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 10:07:16 AM »

would just about sum up the present government's grasp of renewable technology - bug*er all! wackoteapot
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 11:08:24 AM »

I found this in a Google search for "windsave"


www.ecohuddle.com/forum/thread/1013/mr-w-seriously-funny-and-so-true
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2009, 11:49:23 AM »

I just found this

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6. To comply with the new rules, the equipment and its installers will be expected to meet the standards of the Microgeneration Certification Scheme. This is a system of certification that the Government has set up in partnership with the microgeneration industry other organisations representing consumer interests. The scheme's purpose is to ensure the quality and reliability of installations and build consumer confidence in the new technologies.


So in my opinion,

To me that says the equipment & install needs to meet the specs but not actually be registered. If you can prove that your equipment & install meets those specs then it should be ok.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2009, 01:29:32 PM »

That's an interesting interpretation. Unfortunately it also says this in para 2.15:

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the scheme using a certificated product.

which is a lot less ambiguous.

We would have to wait for the final legislation, I guess, to see if there will be any wriggle room.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2009, 01:30:02 PM »

the "microgeneration industry" WAS Swindlesave - it's a special weasellism only used by them and their apologists........... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2009, 01:44:01 PM »

I can understand some requirements for wind turbine products and installation. There've been enough amusing stories on here about blades and towers flying through the air that it's easy to see some nasty accidents may happen if there is widespread free-for-all installation of turbines. The question in my mind is whether there's some method that would assure me that my neighbour's turbine was safe but still allow well-executed DIY jobs etc.

I don't find it as easy to see a rationale for ASHP though. I suppose I might get narked if the neighbour installed one right by the fence with its exhaust vent blowing air onto my garden chair, but I don't see the relevance of product or even installer certification to that scenario.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2009, 01:57:21 PM »

Rather like the problem of noise transmission through structures from roof-mounted teapots, I'd be strenuously against a neighbour having one  if it's a semi-detached or terraced house attached to mine.
 If I live miles from nowhere in an unattached property, and am sufficiently deaf/insensitive to have "the stair rods rattling in a blow" (as reported by one disgruntled Swindlesave owner), or to mount a clanking girt superannuated 'fridge in my loft, or outside my bedroom window, then I don't think it's anyone else's problem but my own - unfortunately most people don't have that luck, and I think on noise alone, a "free for all" is utterly bonkers - there may well be deaths!- not from flying blades, but people driven to violence by constant noise from their attached neighbours' properties whistlie
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 02:21:02 PM »

So according to this new proposal I can build my 5 bedroom traditional windmill as permitted development so long as the overall height of the windmill is less than 15 metres high.

Sounds good to me I have always wanted to live in a windmill.

http://www.norfolkmills.co.uk/Windmills/billingford-pyrleston-towermill.html
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